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England v Brazil

By Spielmacher 10 in

General Football


10 months ago
RE: England v Brazil
By Spielmacher 10 10 months ago
A bit of nostalgia before tonight's game.



Today's Gazette:



The day our Stanley ran rings around Brazilians



"An international match between England and Brazil is always a momentous occasion whether it is in a World Cup or a friendly.



And the meeting in February, 1956 will go down as Stanley Matthews' finest hour in an England jersey as the Blackpool wing maestro toyed with the formidable opposition, making them look ordinary.



He had a stormer in the 4-2 victory at a packed Wembley; all the more remarkable due to the fact that he was 41 years old at the time, but showing no diminution in his considerable powers.



Matthews had a hand in all four of the England goals as they overcame a team who, two years later, were to win the World Cup.



He was only involved in the match at all on account of fan power. There had been a clamour for the England committee who picked the team back then for Matthews to get a much-deserved recall. The powers-that-be finally relented and the fans' opinion was gloriously vindicated as Brazil found to their cost.



There was something poignant about the England line-up that day. Duncan Edwards, the teenage prodigy, made his debut while his Manchester United team-mates Tommy Taylor and Roger Byrne also featured; all three were to lose their lives two years later in the Munich air disaster.



It was the first time that these two teams had met, and the appearance of the Brazilians raised some eyebrows, with Pathe News announcer Bob Danvers-Walker commenting on the 'shortness' of their shorts.



In the game itself Matthews gave short shrift to the South Americans, causing Nilton Santos, normally a renowned defender, all manner of problems. Matthews saw to it that it was the longest 90 minutes of the Brazilian's career. Santos was the Brazilian skipper and he led his side to victory in the 1958 World Cup Final against Sweden.



Taylor and another debutant, Colin Grainger, scored two each for Walter Winterbottom's side, with Paulinho and Didi replying for Brazil. It could have been even more comprehensive for the home side as both John Atyeo and Roger Byrne missed penalties.



There was a bizarre moment when one of the Brazilian players kept hold of the ball and refused for some time to give it up, so aggrieved was he at the award of one of the spot-kicks.



Matthews caused no end of havoc along the right wing, a patch of turf he knew well; though not well enough for most football fans, not just Blackpool supporters, but those from every corner of the country who thought he should have won more caps.



One of the stellar names in the Brazil line-up of those pre-Pele days was Didi, who could only marvel at the way Matthews tormented the next World Cup winners. Long after his retirement, Didi was quoted as saying: "The play of Matthews was an exhibition of his genius - an extraordinary player in the same class as Garrincha. I never thought a player that age could do what he did."



But then Matthews had a habit of confounding any sceptics that might have had a doubt about him. He played on - for Stoke City - until he was 50. He was once asked what his biggest regret was and he contended that he gave up the game too soon!



Not all Blackpool players had such pleasant memories of confronting Brazil. Jimmy Armfield was in the England side that lost 3-1 to the eventual winners in the 1962 World Cup in Chile. But such a disappointment was soothed somewhat by Armfield being voted the best full-back at the tournament, though he never did get the trophy!



By 1964, Pele had taken over from Matthews as the face of world football and he inspired the Samba Set as they recorded their biggest win over England. Blackpool goalkeeper Tony Waiters had to fish the ball out of his net five times.

Jimmy Greaves was on target for England but it was a 5-1 triumph for Brazil thanks to goals by Rinaldo (2), Pele, Julinho and Roberto Dias.



During one purple patch Pele's brilliance helped to set up three goals in five second-half minutes and after the game Greaves remarked ruefully: "Pele is on another bloody planet."
RE: England v Brazil
By thetruth1953 10 months ago
Wonder if we will be talking about any of the England players like this in 50 years time.
RE: England v Brazil
By Bally 10 months ago
thetruth1953 wrote:

Wonder if we will be talking about any of the England players like this in 50 years time.





Pool fans, probably not but I'm sure fans of other clubs will
RE: England v Brazil
By whitstabletangerine 10 months ago
thetruth1953 wrote:

Wonder if we will be talking about any of the England players like this in 50 years time.





Speak for yourself, I will be way past by sell by date and hopefully watching the Stans up above in the ghost football league.
RE: England v Brazil
By thetruth1953 10 months ago
Do you think Maguire,Stones and Cahill will be able to cope with Neymar,Coutinho and lastly Jesus?
RE: England v Brazil
By TheSuffolkSeasider 10 months ago
thetruth1953 wrote:

Do you think Maguire,Stones and Cahill will be able to cope with Neymar,Coutinho and lastly Jesus?





It's Gomez, Stones, Maguire in the line up!



And... no.
RE: England v Brazil
By seasider 10 months ago
Doesn't seem to be any conviction in England's play at present.
RE: England v Brazil
By Bentent 10 months ago
Or quality
RE: England v Brazil
By seasider 10 months ago
Shame LC has gone off. I don't get the Lingard thing.
RE: England v Brazil
By Deepdale-Is-My-Church 10 months ago
Can't believe the commentator said, regarding Livermore...."one to tell the grandkids...I got nutmegged off Neymar"



Cringey as fuck. The Neymar ass licking by both these goons is grotesque.
RE: England v Brazil
By Deepdale-Is-My-Church 10 months ago
seasider wrote:

I don't get the Lingard thing.





Spitting image of Nobby Solano, him.
RE: England v Brazil
By seasider 10 months ago
It really is poor commentary. Hoddle thinks 5 sideways passes warrants merit.
RE: England v Brazil
By TheSuffolkSeasider 10 months ago
Livermore should not be near this England team.
RE: England v Brazil
By seasider 10 months ago
TheSuffolkSeasider wrote:

Livermore should not be near this England team.





Unfortunately there are a few on the pitch that fit that category. Not looked good tonight if being honest. Vardy and Rashford hasn't worked.
RE: England v Brazil
By seasider 10 months ago
Dier keeps losing the ball which doesn't bode well as a defensive midfielder.



Gomez man of the match. Can't really argue with that although the decision was a probably a process of elimination rather than a stand out one.
RE: England v Brazil
By Hero-of-the-night 10 months ago
I don't think we can take too much from that showing. If we are being brutally honest, that Brazil side is a poor one. They failed to pass through the midfield quickly enough and never had players in space.

As for England, where do you start? The ball retention is at the same standard as five year olds and the inability to control the pace of a game shows the mentality these player have.



Where is a Colin Bell when you need one?
RE: England v Brazil
By seasider 10 months ago
Agree to not score in two homes regardless of opposition shows where we are at present. Really lacking creativity. I applaud Southgate in some aspects for playing youngsters but at the time I don't get some of his choices. Why Livermore? Why Lingard?



Having said that, we were never going to be in great shapes after all those players pulling out.



Could be worse, could be Irish this morning!
RE: England v Brazil
By rangers1945 10 months ago
Like a few on here I have strong reservations about the England team. Too many just not good enough despite the results off last two games.

Livermore's inclusion puzzles me as does Maguire. The team still struggles to find two decent full/wing backs. It says a lot when a player of Solanke's experience lights the last few minutes, and finally am I alone in thinking that Stones is overated ? He may get better but I am not convinced that he is as yet the answer.



Definitely finally England will always struggle when a large number in the squad do not play regularly in the Premiership
RE: England v Brazil
By GynnSquarePhoenix 10 months ago
Just watched it. I thought England were decent and I certainly saw some passion in defense that's been lacking. I see the potential with Vardy and Rashford, but it's hard getting on the same page when they don't play together too often.



Having said that a few more games playing together for Brazil and those tricky touches and clever passes will start to connect and it will be different story.



Entertaining despite the scoreline.
RE: England v Brazil
By Hero-of-the-night 10 months ago
GynnSquarePhoenix wrote:

Just watched it. I thought England were decent and I certainly saw some passion in defense that's been lacking. I see the potential with Vardy and Rashford, but it's hard getting on the same page when they don't play together too often.



Having said that a few more games playing together for Brazil and those tricky touches and clever passes will start to connect and it will be different story.



Entertaining despite the scoreline.





Brazil just looked like they could step it up a gear or two if needed, we look like the entire world depended on our ability to keep a clean sheet.
RE: England v Brazil
By seasider 10 months ago
rangers1945 wrote:

Like a few on here I have strong reservations about the England team. Too many just not good enough despite the results off last two games.

Livermore's inclusion puzzles me as does Maguire. The team still struggles to find two decent full/wing backs. It says a lot when a player of Solanke's experience lights the last few minutes, and finally am I alone in thinking that Stones is overated ? He may get better but I am not convinced that he is as yet the answer.



Definitely finally England will always struggle when a large number in the squad do not play regularly in the Premiership





Interesting about Stones. Yes I think he is over rated but still proving to be a very good defender. I thought Maguire did ok too.



The wing backs last night were poor. I actually think Trippier is a better footballer than Walker so it begs the question how important pace is as that is the only thing in Walkers favour.
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